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Title: The Orville (Fox)
Post by: BlackLight on September 11, 2017, 04:01:19 AM
Seth MacFarlane's new series - in the 25th century, he's assigned his first command as the captain a mid-level exploratory vessel.

This has a Star Trek: TNG vibe to it, and it's not the farcical comedy you might expect having seen his cartoon shows. This is actually pretty interesting and funny.
Title: Re: The Orville (Fox)
Post by: BobbyR on September 11, 2017, 08:05:16 PM
I liked it. I'm also facebook friends with one of the editors -  Tom Costantino.


If you're interested I belong to a discussion group for the show with Tom


https://www.facebook.com/groups/1897298047212509/
Title: Re: The Orville (Fox)
Post by: BlackLight on September 22, 2017, 02:24:45 AM
Three episodes in - still solid. And I like that they don't seem to insist on delivering a happy ending to each episode, or having a goofy reveal (like episode 2).
Title: Re: The Orville (Fox)
Post by: Zandrax on September 23, 2017, 04:09:30 PM
I've heard good things, that it's not as silly as the trailers make it out to be. I guess I'll have to check it out before it gets cancelled gived Fox's history with sci-fi...
Title: Re: The Orville (Fox)
Post by: DocSavage on September 23, 2017, 06:10:35 PM
I like it.

The critics are being unfair, basically complaining when they were expecting poop jokes and got a sincere homage of a sci fi drama.

Even the obvious political bias doesn't bother me, because classic Trek was known for that, and Seth has been surprisingly even handed about it.
Title: Re: The Orville (Fox)
Post by: BlackLight on September 24, 2017, 01:53:25 AM
MacFarlane can't win with the critics. They pound him for his (often) juvenile sense of humor, and when he dials it down, they hit him again for not conforming to their expectations.

The guy can sing and tell a story, and it bothers people.
Title: Re: The Orville (Fox)
Post by: DocSavage on September 24, 2017, 09:05:54 AM
And some of the complaints from the nerdier Trek people sound suspiciously like ones leveled at Firefly.

The companion/high class prostitute with real political power/respect got argued up and down as being impossible/impractical, with a list of why societies couldn't ever develop such a profession under capitalism.  Different but simlarly nitpicky arguments are being leveled at an all male society, and how they felt it didn't measure up to Trek standards..

Of course, Firefly wasn't up to "Trek standards" either, and glossed over a lot of things about their universe in favor of the character interactions..  Which was the point.  The characters and the drama, with the universe as just a backdrop for that instead some ridiculously details Star Wars abomonation that becomes its own thing..
Title: Re: The Orville (Fox)
Post by: BobbyR on September 24, 2017, 10:39:49 PM
3 episodes in I'm still liking it, more than I expected to


I honestly might not have even checked it out if I didn't "know" someone working on the show
Title: Re: The Orville (Fox)
Post by: Pebble.2.0 on September 29, 2017, 02:17:08 AM
3 episodes in I'm still liking it, more than I expected to


I honestly might not have even checked it out if I didn't "know" someone working on the show

Caught my first episode tonight, was amused, but it on my DVR list
Title: Re: The Orville (Fox)
Post by: Pebble.2.0 on October 06, 2017, 08:30:44 AM
I've changed my rating from "amusing" to "ok"
Title: Re: The Orville (Fox)
Post by: BlackLight on October 06, 2017, 07:38:05 PM
I've changed my rating from "amusing" to "ok"

Yes, last night was merely okay.
Title: Re: The Orville (Fox)
Post by: DocSavage on October 06, 2017, 10:59:04 PM
I really liked it.

The time travel thing reminds me of Chrisopher Priest's work on The Ray (Writer most known for Black Panther.)

Basically, this kid who can transform into an energy being is raised by as asshole superhero father that's way too hard on him. So he ends up going back in time accidentially, and assumes his dad has something to do with it, recklessly confronts him and scares the crap out of him, accidentially gives him his powers, which he uses to fight the nazi's.  The kid confronts him again and begs him not to screw with time, and his younger old man just tears into him:  "THIS ISN'T HISTORY TO ME, YOU DUMBASS!  If you screwed up time, THAT'S ON YOU."

And suddenly his father being a jerk all his life makes perfect sense.
Title: Re: The Orville (Fox)
Post by: BobbyR on October 07, 2017, 08:05:56 PM
I don't usually like time travel but I did enjoy it
Title: Re: The Orville (Fox)
Post by: BlackLight on October 13, 2017, 02:43:33 AM
Nice bounce-back episode tonight.
Title: Re: The Orville (Fox)
Post by: DocSavage on October 20, 2017, 11:05:26 AM
And we're already on repeats.  Wow, that went fast.

Looks like we're stuck with Arrow, which just threw their hat into the "retool for diversity!" arena.  Ollie settled down with a kid, and Diggle becomes Arrow.
Title: Re: The Orville (Fox)
Post by: BlackLight on October 27, 2017, 02:51:17 AM
Tonight's wound up being preachy by the end.
Title: Re: The Orville (Fox)
Post by: DocSavage on November 01, 2017, 05:10:18 PM
Don't remember. I'll need to rewatch it.

Seth soapboxing against pure democracy isn't necessarily a bad thing, though.  I'm suspecting he's been repressing loads of problems with the left for years, and now some of it is leaking out.
Title: Re: The Orville (Fox)
Post by: DocSavage on November 01, 2017, 05:33:50 PM
That Rottentomatoes score though..  From 20% critic fresh, to 18%.

50% would be harsh but fair, imo, because 50% is "average".  18% is trainwreck territory.

What's going on?  IMDB and TV Guide are in the 70-80% range, and RT viewers are at 93%. 
Title: Re: The Orville (Fox)
Post by: BlackLight on November 01, 2017, 10:58:15 PM
That Rottentomatoes score though..  From 20% critic fresh, to 18%.

50% would be harsh but fair, imo, because 50% is "average".  18% is trainwreck territory.

What's going on?  IMDB and TV Guide are in the 70-80% range, and RT viewers are at 93%.

Anti-Seth bias.
Title: Re: The Orville (Fox)
Post by: DocSavage on November 02, 2017, 02:23:37 AM
Could be.  Seems like both parties enjoy hating on Seth.

Jealousy?  Far as I know, Seth's a self made man in Hollywood.  None of that "You go down on me, I scratch your back" tit for tat nonsense.

As political as Hollywood is, having a guy around that wasn't meant to be a serious success and is beholden to no one could rub a lot of insiders the wrong way..
Title: Re: The Orville (Fox)
Post by: BobbyR on November 02, 2017, 09:07:31 AM
he stepped out of his box
Title: Re: The Orville (Fox)
Post by: DocSavage on November 02, 2017, 11:22:32 AM
After Iron Fist, this, and a few other things, it's also pretty obvious critics live in an echo chamber.

Not only because of the ratings themselves, but the arguments they use.  In the case of the Fist, it was about racial representation..  Nearly EVERY review touched on that.

And in The Orville's case, almost every reviews runs down Seth personally.  Not for his acting or anything,  but just because he's Seth.  (One guy even said another actor the audience can root for would help.)

That's not professionalism imo, it's a Twitter/Reddit rep system.
Title: Re: The Orville (Fox)
Post by: FATSEXY on November 06, 2017, 10:32:38 AM
garbage
Title: Re: The Orville (Fox)
Post by: BlackLight on November 11, 2017, 02:30:37 AM
Realized it midway through the latest episode - Darulio (big blue studmuffin) is played by Rob Lowe.