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FATSEXY

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Who is the GOAT?
« on: April 03, 2017, 04:54:04 PM »
I want to repeat something I said a little while back.


I think AJ Styles is the best wrestler that ever lived in terms of in the ring from bell to bell.


Your thoughts? His promos are good but he's not all time level there. But when the match starts, he's THE best I've ever seen.

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Re: Who is the GOAT?
« Reply #1 on: April 04, 2017, 09:21:22 AM »
I've never felt like he was anything special.  For me, it's always been The Rock.
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Re: Who is the GOAT?
« Reply #2 on: April 04, 2017, 11:03:12 AM »
Shawn Michaels. Had the flash and substance at the same time to tell a great story in the ring.

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Re: Who is the GOAT?
« Reply #3 on: April 04, 2017, 12:42:28 PM »
AJ's promos are getting better, too. Definitely deserves to be in the conversation.

I'm with Pebble. I've always thought The Rock was the complete package.

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Re: Who is the GOAT?
« Reply #4 on: April 04, 2017, 01:05:25 PM »
Flair!!!!!!


He set the bar for being able to wrestle any opponent, any style and still make himself look formidable while elevating them.  I think you take Flair out of the picture, we miss out on the greatness of those he faced and those who came after him.

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Re: Who is the GOAT?
« Reply #5 on: April 04, 2017, 02:51:51 PM »
Flair and Michaels might be interchangeable depending on which style you prefer. I have Bret Hart a notch below Michaels but even with Flair.


Thing about Bret was his wrestling looked and felt legit. Even Kevin Nash remarks he's the only little guy who can believably do a back breaker on him and make it look believable.


Then you have Kurt Angle who could do everything as well.


Austin and Rock are on a different category for me. They're the two biggest superstars of all time who happened to be around at the same time, with Austin being #1. And they can both wrestle, unlike Hogan and Warrior who just connected with the fans and told good stories in the ring.

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Re: Who is the GOAT?
« Reply #6 on: April 04, 2017, 04:06:09 PM »
Interesting answers.


I don't consider Rock to be an all time great in the ring, but he is so far ahead of whoever #2 is in terms of charisma that he didn't have to be amazing in the ring.


Hogan is always left out of the conversation, but he knew how to handle the crowd. The WM X-8 match showed that Hulk was a master, the way he turned Rock face at the end even though the crowd wanted to be pro-Hogan.


HBK, Hart, those guys are all way up there. Flair as well. Steamboat is an all time upper level guy.

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Re: Who is the GOAT?
« Reply #7 on: April 04, 2017, 04:49:05 PM »
AJ styles is prob the most exciting in ring worker we have seen on the wwe stage ever. It is too bad Vince wasted some prime AJ styles years pushing guys like lashley and umaga who the fans did not give a fuck about. Still glad someone at WWE finally wised the hell up and brought him in.

On this subject I find CM punk to be a very average in ring worker and I think the GTS move is a really lame finishing move.

I also think John Cena does not get enough respect for his in ring work. He is not as flashy as Styles but when I think of Cm Punk Daniel Bryan RVD most interesting wwe matches they were all vs Cena. Maybe that is more about the man than the worker that is Cena.

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Re: Who is the GOAT?
« Reply #8 on: April 04, 2017, 07:07:30 PM »
The Rock might get overlooked because he doesn't fit a narrow definition of a worker. He's not a ground specialist, high flyer, or brawler. He's just great at performing, in ring psychology is fantastic, and connects with the crowd at all times like Hogan.


Shawn I'd say gets overlooked as the greatest of all time because he was an asshole for most of it, and he missed out on the attitude era. But he's Mr. Wrestlemania. He's lost most of his wrestlemania matches, but they're always the best match of the night. His ladder match with Scott Hall holds up today, even though it's years before the TLC stuff. They did a ton with that ladder.


Someone like Steamboat I'd put with Benoit and Dynamite Kid. Great everything in ring wise, but either didn't get pushed long enough or lacked the promo skills to be the total package.

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Re: Who is the GOAT?
« Reply #9 on: April 05, 2017, 07:53:43 PM »
As a Peanuts fan I remember when Charlie Brown was the goat and that wasn't a good thing


I know I'm old

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Re: Who is the GOAT?
« Reply #10 on: April 06, 2017, 12:20:16 AM »
As a Peanuts fan I remember when Charlie Brown was the goat and that wasn't a good thing


I know I'm old

Hey when I saw people start using the term G.O.A.T. I was just as confused as you were for the same reason lol

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Re: Who is the GOAT?
« Reply #11 on: April 21, 2017, 07:06:53 PM »
Flair is growing on me. Not that I was ever 1 of those guys who thought he stunk, but I thought his status as GOAT was more in the same boat mentioned above as The Rock or SCSA. He was a solid, fluent mat wrestler once, and he could do some big moves. I learned this after seeing a couple older matches in from Japan against Choshu and Jumbo. He was flawless in those matches from a pure wrestling standpoint. That's not something you can honestly say about what many consider his best matches, an day be that's why he swear to this day that his other matches against Ricky Steamboat were better!

I haven't watched much of AJ. I wrote him off as a wrestler who could wrestle his butt off but didn't know anything about (or care about if he knew) selling, psychology, and build up. I don't doubt he had a crapload of good matches but those matches where they just trade spots without even chamging facial expressions don't do it for me.

HBK has also grown on me, and he's made up for his drama with everything he did in his postprime. I say that because of matches other than the Hogan Summerslam match...honest lol! And his prime well...I wasn't a WWF mark but I've loved all of his matches that I've watched on those DVDs. I would have liked to have watched him as he happened.

So I'll go ahead with the elephant in the room, Benoit. I mean...BENOIT lol! The whole Benoit was just a good worker has became 1 of those things people think they have a to say to sound smart on the intermet. It's right up there with Luger wasn't good, Flair wrestled the same match, Bret was boring,  etc. I just don't think anybody really believes that. And the truth is this was becoming a thing for a considerable amount of time before his death so I'm not even trying to angle this in that direction.

As for actually picking somebody, heck Idk lol!